Story in STAR WARS: The Old Republic

Ar'ika on Sun, 7th Dec 2008 3:53 pm 

I commented on the why they aren’t listening thing but it didn’t show up. Well it probably did and i just cant find it. where do I look?

Darth Conley on Sun, 7th Dec 2008 10:16 pm 

Well I’m relieved that they didn’t completely kill The KOTOR series.

Serondil on Mon, 8th Dec 2008 2:22 am 

So, that actually sounds very good…

Alltough I’m not really sure i believe what i’m hearing.. Kotor 3 will have more storyline content then all bioware games combined… sounds great

So i guess most of the panicking was not necesairy since it looks like the original concept is being preserved.

Now let’s just wait on some info on the prices.. (still hoping it won’t be pay – to – play)

grtz

-Seron

ElBuesta on Mon, 8th Dec 2008 7:36 am 

Indeed, it seems wonderfull. But I highly doubt that any of this can in fact be achieved. The sentence

“Whatever your choices may be, you’ll still be the hero (or villain) of an epic storyline which gives extra meaning to the other gameplay pillars”

has absolutely no meaning to me when you think in a MMO. the way I see it, a hero is, by definition, an exception. How can a world have thousands of exceptions, it does not make sense. But I won´t underestimate the producers, who knows, maybe someone had a fantastic idea that is hard to explain, and has a great team to work with (because he is gonna need all the help he can get), and is betting his life on it.

Despite this, I am still hugely disappointed with this MMO thing. A fantastic, memorable game never starts with the “I am going to make a great game” attitude: if in the end of the project one realizes that everything is fitting
perfectly well, that the game is brilliant, than you start with the whole propaganda. That´s why I think this whole project is going to fail in the end. I mean, they will sell a lot, there will be many new features, it will be a fun game, but it won´t be half as meaningfull as the previous KOTOR games.

Darth Conley on Mon, 8th Dec 2008 9:48 pm 

I personally think that I would like this game better than WoW. Because it will be futuristic instead of old school. I think a lot of players from WoW will convert to Kotor 3 or at least try it if they hear of it. I for one am going to play Kotor 3 no matter what, I mean at least try it. And I think that this will be better than Star Wars Galaxies, because it had a bad story board, good character customization, and I liked the player versus player. And I have a question, will there be player versus player? I don’t think I’ve heard anything about it yet. That’s probably going to get players to stick to the game. I stuck to WoW, Runescape, Guild War, and other online games because of the players versus players, because that’s continual, not just a short or long storyboard.

L on Mon, 8th Dec 2008 9:50 pm 

How can we al exist in the same universe if we all have the choice to do somthing different at the same time on the same disicsion. To do that they will probably make a lot of the game instanced…..or maybe I’m way off, just spitballin.

Rockkidmetal on Wed, 10th Dec 2008 8:49 am 

Right on! I agree with you 100% of the way. How indeed can we all excist in the same universe with the ability to all make the exact same decisions? Though the probability is low, we COULD all be the same, all the way from alignment to looks to the choices we make, we could all do everything the same and that just takes all the uniqueness out of our characters. We need a Kotor 3 where it’s just us and our compainions versus the galaxy, that is what makes not only the game, but also us unique be on belief. I just hope this isn’t really the Kotor 3 we’ve been waiting for almost six years for.

sffs on Wed, 10th Dec 2008 2:53 pm 

they are talking lots of stuff just to attract and burn people into playing..lol and more storyline than all of the bioware games combined

Darth Conley on Wed, 10th Dec 2008 6:37 pm 

I agree with you sffs.

shashank on Thu, 11th Dec 2008 11:00 am 

Hay ppl see the light… This is jus like Force Unleashed… Marketin strategy.. Generate lot of hype so that everyone pre orders it… that way the get 1mill + sales in a weeks time of release, and it wont even deliver half the satisfaction… After customer satisfaction has never been one of their goals… since the release of jedi outcast

John on Thu, 11th Dec 2008 6:42 pm 

No one ever said Lucas Arts isn’t good at marketing.

That is, of course, what this is. They are still trying to pull in the KOTOR fanbased. The inherent nature of an MMO makes it impossible to have a real story like they are suggesting. Every story has an ending. When, pray tell, does a story end in an MMO?

DacenVellia on Thu, 11th Dec 2008 7:00 pm 

It may sound good, but it’s still going to be a MMO.

JOhn on Sat, 13th Dec 2008 7:48 am 

Yeah Guys Like look at guys like Warcraft yea i bet it is fun but there is no storyline an for me an i think ya’ll are the same that the story is the backbone an heart of the recent kotor games when i first played kotor on xbox i could’nt put it down i played it like 3438493593834 times “mom was getting worried”lol, but now am not even going to buy it, its going to be just like Force Unleash there going to be saying this an that, you can do this, you’ll get to see that, its just a trick, an i heard that was a major put down.

Someon3 on Sat, 13th Dec 2008 12:02 pm 

Hm, ye nice, but still… Looks like tehy focus more than 75% of the game on the 4th pillar: storyline. I hope they won’t mess it up bigtime, cuz they’ll have to rewrite it all XD

Brian Patnaude on Sat, 13th Dec 2008 2:11 pm 

I don’t mean to sound disrespectful but how are they killing the series? This game looks amazing and if they put everything They’ve been promising into this game it’s going to end up better then the other two. If you don’t like TOR then here is my advice. Don’t buy the game. If you think that Bioware is killing the series then stop ruining other people’s fun and don’t comment. It’s kinda like Movies today. If you don’t like it, then don’t go. We get that you don’t like it but a good portion of people do. So stop ruining our fun. Thank you.

EXT64 on Sun, 14th Dec 2008 11:13 am 

Excuse me Brian, but the whole point of this site is to allow users to post their views, both positive and negative, of the game. If you only want to hear gushing praise, go to one of the fanboy official sites.

As to whether it is killing the series, it is not because it is NOT a KOTOR game. It is just another Star Wars MMO but set in the KOTOR era.

Also, that is a huge if (“if they put everything they’ve been promising…”). I can tell you now they won’t because they never have and never will. They are trying to get the hype up and hope they will get sales out of the KOTOR title.

And finally, will it be good? If they ever release it, I bet it will be a very fun MMO and possibly even successful. I personally would enjoy running around the KOTOR world and interacting with others online, however not if I have to pay a subscription (any more than $20 a year, maybe) and it would not be a replacement to the KOTOR series, just another fun game.

Gl-lOST on Sun, 14th Dec 2008 7:55 pm 

The game looks like its set after the death of darth vader.. hmm it might also be a chalenge to make PvP balanced (Lightsaber<Blaster) They should let others make more characters to view all parts of the history. Think about KoToR 1. There is so much information more then you relize. Think about the time when Revan ripped off or helped that Lady trying to sell a Wraith Plate on Tatooine tahts a part of the star wars history. They should be carfull about what they do

JMC@Mexico on Tue, 16th Dec 2008 7:47 pm 

In this case even if the story (A giganormously big IF) is good, I think that a million different paths for the same story just won’t do, even if they managed to make it work, any other darkside, light side, whatever-they-call-it-side, could just make a choice to wipe the floor with your ass, and then what? restart everything? hear the ending from another more skilled in combat than you? the only way that could be avoided it would be to divide the story into several “Organizations” and then make a super intergalactic conflict set 3700 years before the original SW storyline.

Jitters333/jordan on Wed, 17th Dec 2008 5:46 pm 

YOUR WELCOME =] KOTOR TRAILER
http://mmorpg.qj.net/Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-first-trailer/pg/49/aid/127293

Jitters333 on Wed, 17th Dec 2008 5:50 pm 

Hmm can’t get it to work =/ nvm

Jitters333 on Wed, 17th Dec 2008 5:54 pm 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNKWMZTCSJUCMVH

Got a different vid though =] enjoy

jalyn on Thu, 18th Dec 2008 5:12 pm 

kotor 3 will be mmo and rpg…i went to get GoW2 and i asked the managers there bout it and he said both were in production…but i forget when they should come out not in 2008 i think 09 or 10..

Ju'ohn on Fri, 19th Dec 2008 10:51 pm 

So.. all this time waiting and when its finally announced my worst fears become reality. WHY AN MMO?!?!? Not to sound mean because I know some ppl actually L.O.V.E the idea, but with the traditional standard of this game ‘IT WILL NOT WORK’.

I love the star wars franchise.. ive always loved it and of course I feel in love with Kotor. I even liked KOTOR 2, tho some changes could have been made. But this is where I have to draw the line for my passion of gaming.. I once bought into the whole idea of MMOs, but destroying kotor this way isn’t right. I had hoped for so much when I heard about SW: FU, I even pre-ordered it and all, and like many have stated.. they once again didn’t deliver.

Good luck to any that buy this game, but I think I will just set this one out.

tom on Sat, 20th Dec 2008 6:25 pm 

it doesnt sound right for an mmo

joe on Sun, 21st Dec 2008 11:02 am 

One thing for,MMo’s are not meant for story telling.Kotor 3 will suck if it is an mmo.No depth in a story at all.The developers must scratch this peice of junk as soon as possible,and switch over to a singleplayer for Xbox 360.It is the right thing to do and the developers know it.It’s what the TRUE FANS WANT!! Watching the video proved this,IT LOOKED AWFULL.HORRIBLE. Just make things right and every one happy little Star Wars nerds and SCATCH THE MMO.

joe on Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 8:49 am 

I have good news my fellow haters of mmo.If you dislike the fact that this game is a mmo,like me.Go to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 3 Petition.This is the tag of the website.www.petitiononline.com/KOTOR3/petition.html.We need all the help we can get,soo go there and PETITION.

You ruined the series on Mon, 22nd Dec 2008 4:25 pm 

Those guys who want to play MMO aren’t KOTOR fans. They’re people that were disappointed with other MMO’s and hope this one will be a good game! They should complain to SW galaxies about their loss of interest in the game, not destroy a game series as great as KOTOR.

Tim on Tue, 23rd Dec 2008 4:01 am 

… i dont think this game is about revan or the exile… have you noticed that they say STAR WARS: the old republic… and not STAR WARS KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC 3… i think that this is just an mmorpg with fammiliar characters… (its my theory that they are actualy making another game for the XBOX 360 in which the story is continued)… please note that all of this is just theory and not proven fact.

connor on Sun, 28th Dec 2008 5:04 pm 

I think they mmo is a good idea but not for kotor keep the mmo
but call it something else
and make kotor still

connor on Sun, 28th Dec 2008 5:05 pm 

soz im tooking up space but comment on my comment!

Lancane on Tue, 30th Dec 2008 1:46 pm 

For those who want to try the MMO, please be their guests. Personally, I feel that Lucas Arts, EA and BioWare are starting to get that itchy feeling under their ‘white collars’, the one that tells them that maybe they screwed themselves with the large console gamer base. EA whose success has been met on consoles has officially declared that they have not found success on that front? Ouch, well there was a good way to slap the faces of the fans that made your company; since Need for Speed, Madden, Medal of Honor and the Godfather franchises have met success mainly at the hands of console gamers…can you say duh!

To be fair, Lucas Arts also slapped the face of the fans, the making of this into an MMO will hurt George Lucas in many ways, but money sometimes clouds the mind. Just remember all of this Lucas Arts, especially since before the XBOX game console your success was near twenty-percent! It was the titles that they produced for the XBox system, whether good or bad that netted a large fan base and the most success they had seen in their company’s history and that is a fact. And while I know Lucas Arts is trying to steal the World of Warcraft fandom, I would like to say this to you…”Doh!” Because not only did you drop the ball with Knights of the Old Republic fans, you are making nothing but bad marks with the fans. Fans asked for more movies, they were told there would be a live action series, remember all the hub-bub, instead we got another cartoon series and a cheesy movie which was the prelude to the series itself. Ouch… And to top it off, the fans who wanted a good game got The Force Unleashed, hoping it was a mark of things to come, especially for the KOTOR fanbase and we got smacked again. George Lucas please understand that all that money you role around in was because of your fans, not self made, as I stated before and this holds true – “Money does not make the games, the gamers do!” But to think you will chip into the Warcraft fandom is stupidity, partially because unlike you, they have listened to the fans, a live action movie is in pre-production as we speak and they have generated a larger fanbase with their never-ending supply of additional game expansions.

Now, I would like to blast BioWare…but of the three companies involved in this debacle, they may be the ones who gain from this…why? The answer is so simple, there are several divisions of BioWare and the KOTOR MMO is just one, and remember that BioWare met success at making PC games, unlike the other two brainchild companies in this ’screw-up’ who were both made by console gamers. BioWare found they could have great success on the console systems with Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire and Mass Effect, all which have been award winning and have sold mega volumes on both the console, but also on the PC…and right now their is the division of BioWare working on Dragon Age: Origins, whoops! So while the MMO debacle will hurt the reputation of Lucas Arts and EA, BioWare though owned by EA will rebound with another hit game that will supply the console gamers with what they wanted. And the fans will likely forget their part in the KOTOR MMO, while Lucas Arts and EA remained stained by it.

Yes, this is a marketing strategy because at this point they have spent top dollar to develop the game and it is getting poor ratings because of the console fans whom were cut out of the loop and because not everyone likes the MMO crap…but for those fans who do like MMO games and are console gamers, there is a game coming soon, the Age of Conan: The Hyborian Tales will still be released, likely at the same time as Knights of the Old Republic to satisfy those hurt gamers…but the RPG fans will not be so forgiving, luckily though there are several RPG games in development for them all.

Lancane on Tue, 30th Dec 2008 2:14 pm 

Jalyn, originally Knights of the Old Republic III was in production at BioWare’s facility in Canada. But the product was one of many which were scrapped when EA purchased BioWare and Lucas Arts decided to cut production on several titles in development or pre-production. They instead decided to run with the MMO Knights of the Old Republic, which will likely hurt them far more then anything at this point. First off their try at Galaxies hurt them, so many fans will not be so eager to run out and buy Knights of the Old Republic remembering the issues with Galaxies, but also the economy will play a factor, many software manufacturers have stated that in this economy, MMOs’ are far more likely to take a loss then standard RPGs’. The other big issue is that they cut out the console gamers and the gamers who like RPGs’ and not MMOs’, so they cut out many of those who would have purchased the game in the first place and on several fronts…

If they decide to make Knights of the Old Republic III, or still develop it, then they would have announced it publicly to thwart the bad blood they have created with the MMO…don’t hold your breath Jalyn, there is not KOTOR III…just us fans who wished there was!

Darth Thomar on Sat, 3rd Jan 2009 5:18 am 

Seems to me that doing it this way will open up more space and interaction that you can’t get from a four discs set. Had the first two been on the net like this will be, it would still be a bunch of people with different outcomes. Only difference I can tell is that you won’t be able to find time to play twelve times and get different reactions. Won’t be able to save before that BIG decision and then load the save game and make a different one. My only concern outside of storyline is how long will I have to play before I can do it again. I plan on going the Anakin way. I will align with the Republic, become disgusted with it and then go dark and thus become a dark lord of the Sith and f*** s**t up! Just hunt all the Republic lover and Jedi. But…how long do I have to play to see what it’s like to start good and stay good, or star bad then go good, or start bad and stay bad? Then, suppose I don’t want to be a Force user at all? Suppose I play as male, or as female. KOTOR was great because each time you play, you can choose between two genders then from there choose class of person then from there choose what time of alignment with the force and then from there what three classes within that alignment you want! Can an MMO supply this? This is the post that should be posted in each place concerns are left, not who’s “killing” the franchise. I love Fable2 because I get to choose my story, but KOTOR is the greatest…

Borkster27 on Sat, 3rd Jan 2009 11:21 pm 

“I can feel your hate!” The most amazing part of this new game is how many people have prejudged it sight unseen…

Kit Andrews on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 9:48 am 

My main concern is that in the first 2 games your character had an epic storyline that effected the fate of the galaxy, i was looking forward to traveling into the unknown regions to find Reven and the exile to either save or destroy the republic, while an mmorpg would be able to give character specific storyline , without the galaxy effecting decisions it will bring no closure to the storyline i had become so enthralled with.

jebbyjedi on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 1:27 pm 

HATE THE MMO…HATE IT SO MUCH. EVERYONE WHO HATES IT SHOULD SIGN THE PETITION

American Soldier on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 8:41 pm 

All I ask for is this. If Bioware makes this game, and they make it well, that they don’t go changing the gameplay I fall in love with. Sony effictively killed SWG for me by changing its gameplay over and over again. As for everyone who has already choosen their side of this battle, realize this. EA is EA, Lucas is Lucas, Bioware is Bioware, Life is Life, and Death is just a new frontier. You can’t change what is, and you can’t change what will be in the end. Bioware will make this game how the make it, and all we can hope is that it is as magnificent as KotOR was. We can try to guide them with our thoughts and our input, but they are the ones who call the shots rightfully. Don’t hate something becasue it is an unknown to you. I can remember when KotOR itself was another unknown. But, please continue trying to help Bioware shape this game into something extraordinary by giving them your thoughts and opinions. Just try not to be to critical of them until you see the finished product. I WILL play TOR, as will my friends and family. As for whether we like or hate it, the only thing we can do is be patient, wait, and hope for the best.
True Soldiers for Life

jbuhan on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 1:26 pm 

to all that like kotor1 and kotor2. it be good to put kotor3 both ways meaning keep the sequel going with the exile. then travel back to the old republic and have the mmo trust me when i say that would make a game like that playable it would be good for bioware and lucasarts. also the systems should be xbox360 because of the same thing i said in the last post its true. the creators of the game should have it the way they want it where not the people creating it they are. we just hope you make it good.for the people that has any comments of the facts and options i said put a comment under mine and tell me if you agree.

joe on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 2:38 pm 

Hell yeah,I agree with you jbuhan.Bioware and Lucasarts can please everyone in this sittuation.Those for the mmo,and those against it.Put this mmo project on hold for a little bit,then they need to get going on making a Singleplayer kotor 3 for Xbox 360.Then later you can continue on the mmo project.

IF YOU DON’T WANT THIS BEING A MMO AND JUST WANT KOTOR 3 FOR XBOX 360 SIGN THIS PETTION.HERE IS THE TAG .http://www.petitiononline.com/KOTOR3/petition.html

jbuhan on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 6:04 pm 

thanks joe see listen up guys we need bioware and lucas arts to hold on the mmo for a while and just focus on kotor3 most of us hate mmo because it copies off of world of warcraft.to all that agree with me and joe jebby jedi facts and options we said put a comment under ours and tell us if you agree. we are here to make options for bioware and lucas arts were just here to help it make a game fun.

jebbyjedi on Tue, 13th Jan 2009 6:19 am 

Hell yes. I likewise agree with you jbuhan and you too joe. They should work on kotor 3. and it feels good that some of you like my ideas. We should join together to stop the laviathan that is the mmo.

jbuhan on Tue, 13th Jan 2009 1:02 pm 

i will work with jebbyjedi and joe this needs to be a fun game that cant be like a copies from other games like world of warcraft. please bioware and lucas arts read our comments and and listen what me and joe and jebbyjedi have to say were only trying to make a game fun. not just for us for all ther people that said to continue the saga using kotor3 were here to help that make you do things that we want you to do.to all that agree with me and joe and jebbyjedi facts and options we said put a comment under ours and tell us if you agree. we are here to make options for bioware and lucas arts were just here to help it make a game fun. you make the chose bioware and lucas arts

jebbyjedi on Tue, 13th Jan 2009 3:38 pm 

If you hate this mmo but don’t think they will change there mind, you may be wrong. I know I have said it befor…but sign the petition. It couldn’t hurt. Just today 30 more names were added to the list. Are they going to change the mmo, who knows. But I hate the mmo and it’s story (or lack there of) and so I did something…even if it was just adding my name to the petition. So whoever else hates it I say SIGN.http://www.petitiononline.com/KOTOR3/petition.html

And if you agree with us, let us know. write below my coment

jbuhan on Tue, 13th Jan 2009 6:16 pm 

were here to make a way for this game to be more fun to all of us join us. join me and jebbyjedi and joe as we try to spread the word of signing the petition who knows they might listen to us but i know they will i count on it we will make a difference on the game to be better. Bioware and Lucas arts if your are reading this we just trying to help you guys thats all no harm in that And if you agree with us, let us know. write below my comment. were here to help we are the council.

RandomJedi on Mon, 19th Jan 2009 3:25 pm 

i totally agree wit u guys. those games are my fav of all time and having a third one to complete the series would be cool. but when (hopefully) they make another one i hope the visuals are better the ones in the first two are okay but they could have been better.

jbuhan on Thu, 22nd Jan 2009 8:10 pm 

thanks bro we need your help guys cant do this alone.

RandomJedi on Sun, 25th Jan 2009 6:24 pm 

im a girl…awkward…

Anonymous on Sat, 31st Jan 2009 11:23 pm 

No other RPG, no MMO, and no World of Warcraft game has ever, nor will ever come close to the KOTOR series. KOTOR focused more on the storyline and the theme rather than the graphics and engines themselves. That is what made them great. Taking a decent engine with decent gfx and making it superior (in my opinion) to any recent game to date, whose engine and graphics are a thousand times better.

When I played both games I cared about my character and my companions; when my character was betrayed I felt betrayed, no other RPG has had this effect on me. Hell I wasn’t even that much of a Star Wars fan. The themes, the ideas, the storyline, and the characters of KOTOR 1 & 2 stand at the top of the list for any type of game, RPG or not.

I do not think an MMO can continue such a good story and keep all the emotion and ideas of the other two games. They could mirror Rockstar, by having multiplayer as an additional feature outside of the storyline, but I seriously doubt this MMO can live up to its’ predecessors, even if it is not technically KOTOR3. To us, the fans, it will be KOTOR3. And thats all that matters.

jbuhan on Sun, 1st Feb 2009 8:34 pm 

I hope that some of you fans of kotor 1 and 2 vote that they should continue the saga with the exile following revans path to the unknown regions. I have wad reading your comments saying that they should continue the saga and some people said keep the mmo. here the question why? whats the point of doing it makes it seem so weird. alright let me explain. You like how kotor 2 went right. so the exile left or stayed on malachor v right what happens next oh wait this is what happens bioware makes mmo so that means no continue the saga and end it for good wow thats pretty wierd if you dont mind me saying. if you agree with me post a comment under this and help us out were not alone in this you guys and girls.

james on Fri, 13th Feb 2009 11:32 am 

In the end guys i think this is somethink they need to do, because they ended kotor2 with no ending only with a new beginning everyone is expecting for this game to be as great as kotor1 $ kotor2 but there gonna have to put alot of throught and time into this to see if this will be a seller, and if it is then they need to make it the ending of Kotor’s.

And on Sun, 8th Mar 2009 2:20 am 

Well first they ruined Fallout 3 and now its time to ruin KOTOR 3… whats wrong with them… whats not broken dont needed to be fixed… You may make your MMO games, but please live KOTOR alone !!!